| | | | PA Radio – Episode 151: Christopher McDougall

Author / Cali Hinzman


we are animals. period.

We are bringing you an amazing episode this week. John, Luke and Tex speak with author of the widely popular book titled Born to Run.  Chris McDougall is no stranger to the big man struggle. Standing at 6’4 and well over 200 lbs, he was not what one would consider a naturally adept long distance runner. However, Chris’ research on the subject led this lifelong athlete to ask the question? If others his size had been doing it out of necessity for thousands of years, why NOT him?

Ultimately, these questions led to the publication of Born to Run and his latest book, Natural Born Heroes. This episode is a meaty conversation full of Chris’ historical research and fascinating observations of cultural, social, and psychosocial connections to the act of  athletic performance under stress.

Chris McDougall is passionate about unraveling the why’s of human performance. Hear his take on where we came from and where he thinks our culture is headed…and why he no longer watches organized sports on TV. His reasoning for this is searingly true and inspiring.



It’s time to break a mental sweat. Head to http://www.chrismcdougall.com/ for more information about his research, philosophy, and to get your copy of not only Born to Run, but Chris’ latest book, Natural Born Heroes.

Again, a special thank you to Chris McDougall for joining us on the show.  He’s kind of a big deal and we were humbled to have him.

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Cali Hinzman

A strength and conditioning coach since 2009, Cali has worked with numerous athletes spanning from rugby players to cross country skiers. Almost immediately after finding CrossFit in 2010, she was introduced to a program that better suited her athletic goals. With her existing background in powerlifting and football, she became a natural devotee to CFFB/PowerAthlete and testament to it's effectiveness. In 2012, she left D.C. and headed for the state named after her to be a part of the CrossFit Football Seminar Staff and a Jedi of Power Athlete HQ. Cali currently resides in Seattle where she works full time in law enforcement.



  1. JZ on April 18, 2016 at 9:02 am

    I like how Chris McDougall giving Ursinus a shout!

  2. zevenesh on April 23, 2016 at 4:57 am

    This was a kick ass episode, his book Natural Born Heroes was also bad ass!

    Very inspiring, that book was hard to put down!

    I love his thoughts / philosophy on “training to be useful”

    I think he was REALLY trying to say was that our generation is VERY FAR off what / where we should and could be!

  3. TonySka on May 12, 2016 at 8:25 am

    Hi guys,

    Just downloaded this episode because I am a fan of Mr. McDougall. I am not too familiar with your podcast but I like what I have heard. That said, I’d like to offer some constructive criticism. When you have a guest, you guys should considering talking less, asking more questions, and giving your guest the opportunity to talk more. The ratio of host to guest talk time in this episode was wildly out of balance, in my opinion. Mr Welbourn spent a lot of time talking about his own experiences and insights, which was very interesting to hear, but it didn’t engage Mr. McDougall enough, and frankly, seemed a little indulgent given that you had a world-class guest. I was hoping to hear way more from Mr McDougall, and was disappointed. Overall, I liked the episode, and the mission of your podcast, but that was something that stuck out. Again, I hope this is taken constructively, I know how much work goes into this sort of thing. Thanks!

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